Gile_LE 0 Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 Ovako ljudi, vidim da se vodi dosta polemike o kojim i kakvim uljima treba sipati u nase mahine, evo nekoliko tabela koja su ulja odobrena od strane BMW. Mislim da ce biti veoma korisna. Po nekom mom iskustvu Svaki proizvodjac daje preporuke za ulja jer su naspram sklopu motora odabrana ulja, jer i sami znate da nije na svima automobilima ista uljna pumpa, isti promer kanala kroz radilicu bloka bregaste, nisu svi motori sa hidropodizacima itd. Drugim recima svaki auto proizvodjac ima svoje ulje specijalno dizajnirano za svoje potrebe i odobreno zamensko ulje za isti. The BMW oil 0w40 part #83210398504 is a full synthetic oil. The BMW oil 5w30 part #83210398507 is NOT a synthetic oil! BMW part numbers for LL-4 & LL-1 oils and THE LIST… Link to post Share on other sites
jesic 0 Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 svaka cast za ove tabele ali jednu "zamerku" da primetim vrlo malo ima podataka za ulja za menjace i za dif. bilo bi lepo da se ako postoje takve uporedne tablice postave i za njih. u svakom slucaju svaka cast na kvalitetnom radu :) Link to post Share on other sites
Gile_LE 0 Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 Pa ovo je za motore tabela, a videcu da nadjem i za diferencijale i menjace. Mozda bude to i u toku dana. Link to post Share on other sites
Gile_LE 0 Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 Ovo sam nesto nasao za menjace Operating Fluids March 2008 Group 24 Automatic Transmission Technical Service 1.0 General Information On Automatic Transmission Fluids 2.0 Oil Additives 3.0 Approved Automatic Transmission Fluids For Initial Fillings And Correcting Fluid Levels 4.0 Checking Transmission Fluid Level 5.0 Transmission Fluid Change Intervals (If Applicable) 1.0 General Information On Automatic Transmission Fluids Automatic Transmission Fluid was developed especially for automatic transmissions. It requires additives which arecarefully matched with each other, a high viscosity index and a solidification point below -40°F/-40°C. Friction behavior of Automatic Transmission Fluid in plate-type clutches under very different operating conditions is extremely important. Other important factors are: — Wear protection — Oil film shear resistance — Adhesive property — Oxidation resistance — Corrosion inhibition — Sludge prevention — Temperature-dependent viscosity changes — Compatibility with sealing materials. 2.0 Oil Additives Automatic transmissions are designed so that oil additives are not necessary. BMW disapproves the use of any oiladditives and cannot accept the liability for any consequential damage which results from using oil additives. 3.0 Approved Automatic Transmission Fluids For Initial Fillings and Correcting Fluid Levels 3.1 GM Transmissions USE OF ANY OTHER OIL WILL CAUSE A NON WARRANTABLE TRANSMISSION FAILURE *Transmission identification plate can be utilized to determine proper transmission fitted in vehicle A4S 270R (THM-R1W) E36 318i/is/iC/ti from 1996 to 1999 production 323i/is/iC from 1998 to 1999 production 328i/is/iC from 1996 to 1998 production Z3 1.9 from 1996 to 1999 production Z3 2.3/2.8 from 1997 to 2000 production All reputable brand name Automatic Transmission Fluids of the Dexron® III formulation. E39 528i/iT from1997-1999 production All reputable brand name Automatic Transmission Fluids of the Dexron® III formulation. A4S 310R (THM-R1) E34 525i from 1990 to 1995 production All reputable brand name Automatic Transmission Fluids of the Dexron® III formulation. E36 318i/is/iC/ti from 1992 to 1995 production 325i/is/iC from 1992 to 1995 production All reputable brand name Automatic Transmission Fluids of the Dexron® III formulation. A5S 360R (GM5) E46 323i/Ci/Cic from 6/98 to 3/00 production 323iT from 1//00 to 3/01 to production 328i/Ci/Cic from 6/98 to 3/01 production The transmission oil pan will be labeled with either Texaco ETL – 7045 or Dexron® III, please fill or top off with the proper fluid only. Do not mix Texaco ETL – 7045 and Dexron® III fluids. See S.I. Bulletin B 24 01 98. A5S 390R (GM 5) E46 330xi from 6/00 production to present 325xiT from 9/00 production to present E53 X5 3.0 from 8/03 production to present E83 X3 2.5, 3.0 from 8/03 production to present The transmission oil pan will be labeled with either Texaco ETL – 7045 or Dexron® III, please fill or top off with the proper fluid only. Do not mix Texaco ETL – 7045 and Dexron® III fluids. See S.I. Bulletin B 24 01 98. E85 Z4 3.0 from 9/02 production to present Z4 2.5 from 9/02 production to present No subsequent transmission fluid changes are necessary. Never mix any other oil with this transmission fluid when doing repairs or topping up. ESSO LT 71141, BMW Part No. 83 22 9 407 807. See S.I. Bulletin B 24 01 98. GA6L45R (GM6) DEXRON-VI Automatic Transmission Fluid E82 128i from 12/07 production to present E83 X3 LCI from 9/06 production to present E88 128i from 12/07 production to present E90 328Xi from 9/06 production to present E91 328Xi from 9/06 production to present The fluid can be sourced locally until a BMW PN is available. If the fluid cannot be sourced locally contact your Regional Technical Specialist via PuMA 3.2 ZF Transmissions USE OF ANY OTHER OIL WILL CAUSE A NON WARRANTABLE TRANSMISSION FAILURE *Transmission identification plate can be utilized to determine proper transmission fitted in vehicle ZF 3HP22, 4HP22, 4HP24 Utilizes Castrol TQ or Texaco Havoline Automatic Transmission Fluids of the Dexron® III formulation. Never mix any other oil with this transmission fluid when doing repairs or topping up. A5S 310Z (5HP18) E36 M3 from 1995 to 1999 production Utilizes a lifetime filling of synthetic transmission fluid, ESSO LT 71141, no subsequent transmission fluid changes are necessary. Never mix any other oil with this transmission fluid when doing repairs or topping up. ESSO LT 71141, BMW Part No. 83 22 9 407 807. See S.I. Bulletin B 24 01 98. E34 530i/iT from 1993 through 1995 production Utilizes Castrol TQ or Texaco Havoline Automatic Transmission Fluids of the Dexron® III formulation. Never mix any other oil with this transmission fluid when doing repairs or topping up. A5S325Z (5HP19) E46 323i/Ci/Cic from 3/00 to 8/00 production 325iT from 4/01production to present 330i/Ci/Cic from 6/00 production to present 325i/Ci/Cic from 9/00 production to present No subsequent transmission fluid changes are necessary. Never mix any other oil with this transmission fluid when doing repairs or topping up. ESSO LT 71141, BMW Part No. 83 22 9 407 807. See S.I. Bulletin B 24 01 98. E39 525i/iT from 3/01 production to present 530i from 3/01 production to present No subsequent transmission fluid changes are necessary. Never mix any other oil with this transmission fluid when doing repairs or topping up. ESSO LT 71141, BMW Part No. 83 22 9 407 807. See S.I. Bulletin B 24 01 98. A5S 440Z (5HP24) E31 840Ci from 9/96 to the present No subsequent transmission fluid changes are necessary. Never mix any other oil with this transmission fluid when doing repairs or topping up. ESSO LT 71141, BMW Part No. 83 22 9 407 807. See S.I. Bulletin B 24 01 98. E38 740i/iL from 1/97 production to present No subsequent transmission fluid changes are necessary. Never mix any other oil with this transmission fluid when doing repairs or topping up. ESSO LT 71141, BMW Part No. 83 22 9 407 807. See S.I. Bulletin B 24 01 98. E39 540i/iT from 1/97 production to present No subsequent transmission fluid changes are necessary. Never mix any other oil with this transmission fluid when doing repairs or topping up. ESSO LT 711 41, BMW Part No. 83 22 9 407 807. See S.I. Bulletin B 24 01 98. E53 X5 4.4i from 9/99 production to present X5 4.6i from 9/01 production to present No subsequent transmission fluid changes are necessary. Never mix any other oil with this transmission fluid when doing repairs or topping up. ESSO LT 711 41, BMW Part No. 83 22 9 407 807. See S.I. Bulletin B 24 01 98. A5S 560Z (5HP30) E31 840Ci equipped with M60 engine Utilizes a lifetime fill of transmission fluid, no subsequent oil changes are necessary on this transmission. If transmission fluid is required for repair purposes, use only the oil approved for this transmission. It is not permitted to mix this oil with other grades of transmission fluid. Shell LA 2634, BMW Part No. 83 22 9 407 765. See S.I. Bulletin B 24 01 98. E31 840Ci equipped with M62 engine 850Ci equipped with M73 Engine Utilizes lifetime fill of transmission fluid, no subsequent transmission fluid changes are necessary. mix any other oil with this transmission fluid when doing repairs or topping up. ESSO LT 711 41, BMW Part No. 83 22 9 407 807. See S.I. Bulletin B 24 01 98. E32 740i/iL from 1993 through 1994 production Utilizes a lifetime fill of transmission fluid, no subsequent oil changes are necessary on this transmission. If transmission fluid is required for repair purposes, use only the oil approved for this transmission. It is not permitted to mix this oil with other grades of transmission fluid. Shell LA 2634, BMW Part No. 83 22 9 407 765. See S.I. Bulletin B 24 01 98. E34 540i/iT from 1993 through 1995 production Utilizes a lifetime fill of transmission fluid, no subsequent oil changes are necessary on this transmission. If transmission fluid is required for repair purposes, use only the oil approved for this transmission. It is not permitted to mix this oil with other grades of transmission fluid. Shell LA 2634, BMW Part No. 83 22 9 407 765. See S.I. Bulletin B 24 01 98. Effective with model year 1995 and later: E31 850Ci from 10/94 to 6/97 production 840Ci from 12/95 to 8/96 production Utilizes lifetime fill of transmission fluid, no subsequent transmission fluid changes are necessary. Never mix any other oil with this transmission fluid when doing repairs or topping up. ESSO LT 711 41, BMW Part No. 83 22 9 407 807. See S.I. Bulletin B 24 01 98. E38 750iL from 1/95 production to present 740i/iL from 7/94 to 12/96 production Utilizes lifetime fill of transmission fluid, no subsequent transmission fluid changes are necessary. Never mix any other oil with this transmission fluid when doing repairs or topping up. ESSO LT 711 41, BMW Part No. 83 22 9 407 807. See S.I. Bulletin B 24 01 98. E39 540i/iT from 3/96 to 12/96 production Utilizes lifetime fill of transmission fluid, no subsequent transmission fluid changes are necessary. Never mix any other oil with this transmission fluid when doing repairs or topping up. ESSO LT 711 41, BMW Part No. 83 22 9 407 807. See S.I. Bulletin B 24 01 98. GA6HP19Z E82/E88 135i All The transmission fluid has a Condition Based Service interval of approximately 100,000 miles; please refer to S.I. B00 07 02 for further information. Never mix any other oil with this transmission fluid when doing repairs or topping up. Shell M-1375.4, BMW Part No. 83 22 0 142 516. E90/91/92 325i, 328i, 330i, 335i, All The transmission fluid has a Condition Based Service interval of approximately 100,000 miles; please refer to S.I. B00 07 02 for further information. Never mix any other oil with this transmission fluid when doing repairs or topping up. Shell M-1375.4, BMW Part No. 83 22 0 142 516. E60/61 525i, 530i from 8/03 production to present The transmission fluid has a Condition Based Service interval of approximately 100,000 miles; please refer to S.I. B00 07 02 for further information. Never mix any other oil with this transmission fluid when doing repairs or topping up. Shell M-1375.4, BMW Part No. 83 22 0 142 516. GA6HP19ZTU E70 3.0i from start production to present The transmission fluid has a Condition Based Service interval of approximately 100,000 miles; please refer to S.I. B00 07 02 for further information. Never mix any other oil with this transmission fluid when doing repairs or topping up. Shell M-1375.4, BMW Part No. 83 22 0 142 516. E71 X6 xDrive35i The transmission fluid has a Condition Based Service interval of approximately 100,000 miles; please refer to S.I. B00 07 02 for further information. Never mix any other oil with this transmission fluid when doing repairs or topping up. Shell M-1375.4, BMW Part No. 83 22 0 142 516. GA6HP26Z E60 545i from 8/03 production to present 550i All The transmission fluid has a Condition Based Service interval of approximately 100,000 miles; please refer to S.I. B00 07 02 for further information. Never mix any other oil with this transmission fluid when doing repairs or topping up. Shell M-1375.4, BMW Part No. 83 22 0 142 516. E63, E64 645Ci, 645CiC from start of production to present 650Ci, 650CiC All The transmission fluid has a Condition Based Service interval of approximately 100,000 miles; please refer to S.I. B00 07 02 for further information. Never mix any other oil with this transmission fluid when doing repairs or topping up. Shell M-1375.4, BMW Part No. 83 22 0 142 516. E65 745i from 11/2001 production to present 750i All The transmission fluid has a Condition Based Service interval of approximately 100,000 miles; please refer to S.I. B00 07 02 for further information. Never mix any other oil with this transmission fluid when doing repairs or topping up. Shell M-1375.4, BMW Part No. 83 22 0 142 516. E66 745Li from 3/2002 production to present 750Li All 760Li from 9/2002 production to present The transmission fluid has a Condition Based Service interval of approximately 100,000 miles; please refer to S.I. Bulletin B 00 07 02 for further information. Never mix any other oil with this transmission fluid when doing repairs or topping up. Shell M-1375.4, BMW Part No. 83 22 0 142 516. GA6HP26ZTU E70 X5 4.8i from start production to present The transmission fluid has a Condition Based Service interval of approximately 100,000 miles; please refer to S.I. Bulletin B 00 07 02 for further information. Never mix any other oil with this transmission fluid when doing repairs or topping up. Shell M-1375.4, BMW Part No. 83 22 0 142 516. 4.0 Checking Transmission Fluid Level Due to the substantial expansion of transmission fluid when heated it is only possible to measure the oil level correctly at specified oil temperatures (after driving a distance of about 12 mi./20 km). All transmissions should be checked between a ZF 3HP and 4HP Due to the substantial expansion of transmission fluid when heated it is only possible to measure the oil level correctly at specified oil temperatures (after driving a distance of about 12 mi./20 km). See S.I. Bulletins B 24 02 85 (1027) and B 24 01 98. A5S 560Z, A5S440Z, GA6HP19Z, GA6HP26Z, GA6HP26Z, A5S325Z, A5S 310Z All 5 and 6 speed transmissions require the fluid to be checked when fluid temperature is between 30-50° Celsius using DIS Plus or GT1. Do not check fluid level after temperature has exceeded 50° Celsius. See S.I. Bulletin B 24 01 98. A4S 270R, A4S 310R and A5S 360R For vehicles with or without a dipstick see S.I. Bulletin B 24 01 98. 5.0 Transmission Fluid Change Intervals (If Applicable) Please refer to applicable Service and Maintenance Checklist for each vehicle. March 2008 Group 24 Automatic Transmission Technical Service Link to post Share on other sites
Gile_LE 0 Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 A ovo su neke preporuke za diferencijale. Redline 75/90 Redline 75/140 Redline ATF transmission fluid Royal Purple 75/90 Royal Purple 85/140 Mobile 1 75/90 Mobile 1 75/140 Castrol fx Link to post Share on other sites
bulevar89 0 Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 Poz ljudi, imam pitanje vezano za ulje... Uzeo sam e46 318i nedavno i vreme je za servis... Prelistao sam forum, ovaj topic ali sam malo zbunjen svim silnim informacijama koje su napisane... Da li neko konkretno može da mi preporuči tačno koje ulje i kog viskoziteta bi bilo najbolje za moj motor (M43TU) koji pritom ima ugrađen gas? Primetio sam da svi hvale Castrol Edge 0w30 ali nisam stručan po tom pitanju pa bih molio nekoga ko ima ovaj motor da mi da savet... Hvala unapred! Link to post Share on other sites
miksa 0 Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 Poz ljudi, imam pitanje vezano za ulje... Uzeo sam e46 318i nedavno i vreme je za servis... Prelistao sam forum, ovaj topic ali sam malo zbunjen svim silnim informacijama koje su napisane... Da li neko konkretno može da mi preporuči tačno koje ulje i kog viskoziteta bi bilo najbolje za moj motor (M43TU) koji pritom ima ugrađen gas? Primetio sam da svi hvale Castrol Edge 0w30 ali nisam stručan po tom pitanju pa bih molio nekoga ko ima ovaj motor da mi da savet... Hvala unapred! nemam taj motor,ali mislim da je ta gradacija previse retka,pre bi sipao u m43 10w40,a sto se proizvodjaca tice,imas bmw-ovo ulje ako hoces bas po fabrici,ja rokam samo motul i prezadovoljan sam Link to post Share on other sites
bulevar89 0 Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 motul 10w40? jel još neka oznaka ima? pošto bih trebao kupiti ovih dana (do petka najkasnije) pa da znam šta da tražim... :) Link to post Share on other sites
miksa 0 Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 evo ti pogledaj na linku,oni preporucuju za tvoj auto 5w40 https://www.motul.com/rs/sr/products/recommendation ja u 530d m57 sipam ovo https://www.motul.com/rs/sr/products/oils-lubricants/8100-x-cess-5w40 Link to post Share on other sites
smg 0 Posted July 29, 2014 Report Share Posted July 29, 2014 Ja imam e36icu, 318i m43b18 i cepam motul 6500 10w40 ... za sada sam zadovoljan. Motor stvarno ne troši ulje. To sam sipao i u stari bimer, isto m43b18. Sa starim sam presao oko 50k i nisam imao problema (zamena na 10k) a sa "novim" sam tu negde blizu druge zamene :) Znam da je oko ulja uvek polemika, i da ima milion mišljenja. Ja sam se dotakao Motula i nisam previše šarao okolo. Vidim da na ovom sajtu preporučuju 8100 ... i 5w40 ... možda nije loše i to da probam. Trebalo bi da je ovo 5w oznaka za viskoznost kada je ulje "hladno" ... možda više "čuva" mašinu prilikom hladnog starta. Link to post Share on other sites
bulevar89 0 Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 Znači nema veze što je auto na plin? Tj ne menja okolnosti odnosno faktore pri izboru ulja? :) Link to post Share on other sites
smg 0 Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 Nemam pojma :) iskreno. Ja vozim na plin i sipam motulče ... stvarno nisam imao primedbi. Ali je možda bolje da ti neko malo stručniji ukaže. Inače, kada sam bio u švabiji, litar mobila je bio 22€ i to ne na pumpi, nego u prodavnici u gradu ! :/ a kod nas možeš da ga nađeš ispod 10€ ... ko je tu lud... Link to post Share on other sites
bulevar89 0 Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 čini mi se da su kopije.... mada ko zna... Link to post Share on other sites
AndjeoPakla 0 Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 Zdravo, treba mi pomoć pri izboru ulja za X3 2005 2.0D (motor 110kw M47TUD). Malo sam skeptičan po pitanju kupovine Castrola i Mobila kod nas, što iz raznih priča što iz ličnih sumnjihiv situacija, pa se razmišljam između LiquiMoly i Motul 8100 X-Clean. Za motul sam čuo dosta pohvala a i inače ga koristim u motociklu, a LiquiMoly opet mislim da je manja verovatnoća da se naleti na falš. Takođe me zanima da li sipati 5W 30 ili 5W 40 pošto se preporučuju oba. (sva ulja zadovoljavaju LL-04). Ili nešto treće? Link to post Share on other sites
leon63 0 Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 Ja sam u takav motor sipao 5W40 dok je bio kod mene u vlasnistvu. Link to post Share on other sites
StunterSM 0 Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 Koji motor vozis? 5 30 je kvalitetnije ulje, nekako duze zadrzi viskozitet.. Uzmi u uvid i orginalno bmw ulje, cena je oko 9e po litri Link to post Share on other sites
AndjeoPakla 0 Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Hvala. Vozim Hondu CBR 900 RR '97. Gledao sam juče i to ulje, jeste oko 9e je u Autoline, a u zvaničnom servisu je oko 2100 dinara što je duplo, mada opet znam da ovlašćeni servisi deru i za dobar dan što ti kažu :) gde preporučujete kupovinu BMW ulja ako se odlučim za njega? Link to post Share on other sites
StunterSM 0 Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Bmw Line, problema nikad nisam imao :) Link to post Share on other sites
m_widder 0 Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 Slabo pomenusmo tds (preciznije e38 725 1996god) Koje ulje mu navise prija? Ima jedan post gde je preporuka castrol 10w-40, ali mislim da je dosta kopije castrol-a kod nas na trzistu, pa ne bih da sipam... Na onom linku sto castrol zvanicno propisuje stoji kao preporuka "EDGE 0W-30" http://oilselector.castrol.com/c/uk/eng/recommendation/79f5d5f3365c1c48b847b812b6e30f76/BMW/7-Series-E38-%281994-2001%29/725tds-%281996-2000%29 medjutim nikog do sad ne videh da sipa to ulje... Izvinjavam se sto slicno upitah u topic-u "potrosnja ulja", jer ne videh odmah ovaj topic Link to post Share on other sites
Nikolam3 0 Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 Šta mislite o MOBIL SUPER 3000 X1 5W-40 u 318d e46 2002 god,dobio sam povoljnu ponudu iz Plattnera za ovo ulje,dal je ok za taj motor? Link to post Share on other sites
STARS 0 Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 Gledam malopre po radnjama , doslo vreme za zamenu ulja... Po Castrolovoj preporuci za moj 320d M47 bih trebao da sipam Castrol EDGE 0-30 ili Magnatec 5-30 C3, napominjem da mi je auto presao 300k. Km. ali od zamene do zamene evo 15k. Km sa EDGE 0-30 je potrosio 3-4mm na meracu , u radnji sam nasao Magnatec 5-40 C3 i sad nisam siguran sta da radim , prodavac kaze da je ulje od proverenog dobavljaca, na svakoj kantici ima zalepljena deklaracija bas cu da pogledam ko je dobavljac... Dali da uzmem ovaj Magntec 5-40 c3 (~4000din. 5L) ili da uzmem ponovo EDGE 0-30 koji je SKUPLJI (oko 5100din. 5L) ili da trazim neko drugo ulje i koja bi bila vasa preporuka ???? Link to post Share on other sites
Aleksandar Stepanovic 0 Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 Vozim BMW e46 316 I restaling sa motorom M43TU B19 od 77 kw i uvek sam u njega sipao ulje CASTROL MAGNATEC C3 5W-40 ... Sada na velikom servisu sipano mi je ulje CASTROL EDGE TURBO DIESEL 5W-40, jer to je kao bolje ulje i da nista ne brinem iako je moj auto benzinac...Motor je dobar i trebalo bi da je presao 208.000 km... Interesuje me da li je servis tu mozda pogresio prilikom odabira ulja ? Link to post Share on other sites
Leto 0 Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 Ma nisu pogresili, to im je slabo islo pa moraju da ga uvale nekako :-) Mislim da nista ne fali. Link to post Share on other sites
Golub81 0 Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 Pozdrav, Ima li neko iskustva sa uljem Elf 5-40 full syntetic. Motor je M43 u e36 presao motor 320.000km. Valja li to cemu? Link to post Share on other sites
virsla4 0 Posted December 31, 2016 Report Share Posted December 31, 2016 Postovana/i, interesuje me koje motorno ulje mi preporucujete za vozilo marke bmw 120d,diesel,proizvedeno 2007 godine,model e87,motor n47, 1995cm3,130kw/177ps,automatski menjac. Vozilo je preslo 245.000 km. Na koliko kilometara vrsiti zamenu ulja i koje ulje preporucujete? Srdacan pozdrav, Link to post Share on other sites
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